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Tim Dawson
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I've asked them to provide a link, and I will also ask them to explain why there's no NOTAM for the restriction.
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Chris_LSZO
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+xCould you please publish the link to the free AIP VFR SUP at Eisenschmidt website.I couldn't find it either. +1. I has try it in different ways. Chris
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Chris_LSZO
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+x+xVFR AIP SUP are available for free on the Eisenschmidt website. Using SkyDemon does not absolve anybody of the requirement to check relevant SUPs in a country where SUPs need to be checked prior to flight. Check local regulations for this. SUPs are not a part of the permanent AIP and should not really be used to introduce airspace changes without a corresponding NOTAM, so that pilots know to actually look at the SUPs. It is unfortunate if Germany have not published a NOTAM to inform pilots about the presence of the SUP but we (at SkyDemon) cannot do this for you. It seems that there is an expectation on this thread that we would look at SUPs in order to make changes to our charts, as the SUPs come and go. Since SUPs are published and withdrawn at any time, without reference to the AIRAC cycle, that is not easily achieved. You won't find them on your paper charts either. Tim, For me it would be enough to have the VFR SUPs available in SD. Of course one could/should/must check other sources, but one major advantage of SD is that it integrates so many functions and information in one application. At the moment, the guys from Easy-VFR work out a solution for this problem. If they can do it, Skydemon can do it for sure too... Chris
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Gerhard66
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Could you please publish the link to the free AIP VFR SUP at Eisenschmidt website.
I couldn't find it either.
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JanR
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+xVFR AIP SUP are available for free on the Eisenschmidt website. Using SkyDemon does not absolve anybody of the requirement to check relevant SUPs in a country where SUPs need to be checked prior to flight. Check local regulations for this. SUPs are not a part of the permanent AIP and should not really be used to introduce airspace changes without a corresponding NOTAM, so that pilots know to actually look at the SUPs. It is unfortunate if Germany have not published a NOTAM to inform pilots about the presence of the SUP but we (at SkyDemon) cannot do this for you. It seems that there is an expectation on this thread that we would look at SUPs in order to make changes to our charts, as the SUPs come and go. Since SUPs are published and withdrawn at any time, without reference to the AIRAC cycle, that is not easily achieved. You won't find them on your paper charts either. Tim, For me it would be enough to have the VFR SUPs available in SD. Of course one could/should/must check other sources, but one major advantage of SD is that it integrates so many functions and information in one application.
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tschnell
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> VFR AIP SUP are available for free on the Eisenschmidt website
Where? I cannot find any...
Tobias
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Chris_LSZO
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+xVFR AIP SUP are available for free on the Eisenschmidt website. Using SkyDemon does not absolve anybody of the requirement to check relevant SUPs in a country where SUPs need to be checked prior to flight. Check local regulations for this. SUPs are not a part of the permanent AIP and should not really be used to introduce airspace changes without a corresponding NOTAM, so that pilots know to actually look at the SUPs. It is unfortunate if Germany have not published a NOTAM to inform pilots about the presence of the SUP but we (at SkyDemon) cannot do this for you. It seems that there is an expectation on this thread that we would look at SUPs in order to make changes to our charts, as the SUPs come and go. Since SUPs are published and withdrawn at any time, without reference to the AIRAC cycle, that is not easily achieved. You won't find them on your paper charts either. Maybe you can let the Notam visible as long they are valid. This information comes with the Notam and maybe you can use this information (starts .... until ...)? Like now it is not nice... Chris
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Tim Dawson
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VFR AIP SUP are available for free on the Eisenschmidt website. Using SkyDemon does not absolve anybody of the requirement to check relevant SUPs in a country where SUPs need to be checked prior to flight. Check local regulations for this.
SUPs are not a part of the permanent AIP and should not really be used to introduce airspace changes without a corresponding NOTAM, so that pilots know to actually look at the SUPs. It is unfortunate if Germany have not published a NOTAM to inform pilots about the presence of the SUP but we (at SkyDemon) cannot do this for you.
It seems that there is an expectation on this thread that we would look at SUPs in order to make changes to our charts, as the SUPs come and go. Since SUPs are published and withdrawn at any time, without reference to the AIRAC cycle, that is not easily achieved. You won't find them on your paper charts either.
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Gerhard66
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Jan, I think you're right. There are at least two gaps evident:
1. Information from SUP Austria did not find it's way to SD charts (Airspace Salzburg was displayed completely wrong for some weeks!)
2. I seems, SD (or Eisenschmidt) does not care about the official German AIP VFR.
Some months ago, I asked Tim if he could confirm, that the SD "VFR AIP" together with the SD "Germany AIP" provides comprehensive information.
I got no answer...
I don't know, who is responsible for this disaster, maybe its Eisenschmidt or Austrocontrol, but I expect SD to provide correct charts including all available official information.
Tim, thanks in advance for fixing this.
Gerhard
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JanR
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Another reason to add the missing Germany VFR AIP contents including VFR SUPs. Right now, there is definitely a gap which is not covered by Skydemon, as only IFR SUPs are available.
Regards
Jan
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